• Birthright or Brutality?
  • Justifiable Cruelty?
  • Pity or Pitiful?
  • Deterrent or Provocation?

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Madz, Friday, 10 July 2009

okay, look, these chickens are probably not battery hens, but are trying to REPRESENT battery hens. The ppl who made this site (who by the way are quite secretive) probably dont want to use battery hens (they mit think its cruel themselves)

Sheri Bee, Thursday, 18 June 2009

I have 13 chickens in my garden, free to roam as they please, we have had our ladies about a year now and i can say without any shadow of a doubt.. Chicken are NOT stupid, Chicken HAVE feelings, chickens DO feel pain, chickens ARE intellegent, and chickens ARE living creatures that deseve to be reared in a humane way where they are free to roam, roost, scratch, dust bathe, and do all the natural things that chickens do!!
So anybody out there who doesnt care, or thinks chickens are stupid, then they are so so wrong!!
A chicken is like any other animal.. like your beloved dog, would you feel the same way if it were dogs being kept like battery hens, or broiler chickens? No there would be an out cry from the public!! so why is it ok to keep chickens like this???
My girls come to me when called, some even know their names!!!!! they can figure out how to escape into the field next door, one even undone a knot in string to escape... 3 times!! Stupid?? i think not.
Now, i eat chicken, i eat free range british reared chickens. I do love my chooks but i enjoy eating chicken too, so there is a compromise, buy free range, they have a wonderful life and get to be chickens!!!!!!! CHICKENOUT!!!!!!!

Licia Cuddeford, Saturday, 13 June 2009

Battery chickens and eggs are cheap. I see lots of people who "saves" on cheap meat and eggs thinking that they have done something good. And then they spend a lot on massive televisions and other very unnecessary goods. Surely they can afford free range products who are also better because a stressed animals has much more nasty substances in his body than a happy one (and this comes from the Animal Welfare module I took as a part of my biology university degree).

Jan, Thursday, 11 June 2009

I think the hens in this picture look extremely healthy and well cared for

Michael B, Wednesday, 10 June 2009

We are all entitled to our opinions and one good aspect of this is that it opens the subject up for debate. However, i am still not sure what this website is really about!?

My thoughts are that as consumers, we vote with our feet. In a country where supermarkets have re-defined the way we shop, it is they that control the supply of goods. It is our willingness to pay for goods and services that can have an impact on this- vote with your feet and pay a premium for free range etc and the retailers have to listen. Even if you take the view that we live in a 'Tescopoly' and no longer have access to REAL choice and fresh locally sourced products from a mixture of independent/multiples - meat is a large part of many peoples staple diet and retailers will react to shifts in demand for goods.

So over to us, if its intolerable cruelty....vote with your feet and your money....

Andy, Tuesday, 9 June 2009

The hens in this shed look very well looked after - good condition, bright eyes, good cover of feathers, bright an firm wattles - not cruel to me.
The photo should have shown some battery hens - my comments would have been different.

Barry, Sunday, 7 June 2009

They have life because they are useful to us the alternative is no life

Shark, Wednesday, 3 June 2009

No, 'goldfish', you meant opposable. Cretin.

goldfish, Monday, 1 June 2009

Ha just realised my mistake i meant imposable. whoops

goldfish, Monday, 1 June 2009

they look pretty happy to me, in a chickeney kind of way! they would do the same if they had imposing thumbs. grubs up

Jean Jackson, Wednesday, 27 May 2009

If people must eat meat the least we owe animals is to treat them as sentient beings whilst they are alive.

tatiana, Tuesday, 26 May 2009

nunca se justifica esto porque los animales y la naturaleza son parte de nuestras vidas y si no la protejemos ni la cuidamos se nos va a acabar este planete porque el ser humano ha hecho un infierno para los animales la creuldad nunca se justifica y este plantea se va volver peor de mierda de lo que ya esta en el futuro...

ANP, Sunday, 17 May 2009

Do tigers care if their preys find it too brutal to be killed by them? No. I don't understand how human consciouness can perpetuate such delicate sensitivity when talking about survival. It's wrong and humanely unreasonable to refrain from it based on "brutality" claims.

Matters such as obbesity and genetical modification of animals (KFC, etc) aren't related to this topic.

Nick C, Sunday, 17 May 2009

Why should a living being suffer all of its life just for someones dinner.

Seah Scholfield, Sunday, 17 May 2009

Just hold on a sec, this doesnt look like a batery. Hens are pretty stupid and on free range, they spend most of their time in the barn, only coming out after rain to pick on grubs. Disgusting.

Patrick, Saturday, 16 May 2009

Quite honestly I just don't care. I have more important things to worry about than chickens or annoying vegetarians telling me not to eat chickens.

There are millions of people who can't afford to eat and you want to make it more expensive? Wise up. We are humans, so our priority should be other humans. The rest of the animal kingdom comes second, end of discussion.

Simon, Saturday, 16 May 2009

Cruelty is never justifiable.

MADz, Monday, 11 May 2009

I would not become a vegatarian as such, it is natural to eat meat, but it is not natural to let that meat suffer in the skin.

Twigley, Monday, 11 May 2009

We breed them to die. I honestly think if you're happy with a 'sentient intelligent being' being killed to eat - why care what happens between the birth and the dinner table?

Kait, Saturday, 9 May 2009

totally justifiable. hand over that barbecued chicken. :)

DNS Digger, Thursday, 7 May 2009

It makes me laugh that you are all so predictable and that you jumped in and commented exactly in your normal stereotypes.

Can none of you see that you are being manipulated by advertising and the reactions are just what they wanted.

Most of you really are not very conscious of the way your thoughts are controlled by media, are you?

Aside from the obviously carefully designed and ambiguous image, none of you have put a *price* on what you are prepared to pay. If you want to change things, go to your supermarkets and order a chicken from conditions that you like and PAY for it. Then insist that McDonalds, KFC and so on all do the same! Your MONEY is what will change this, not your infantile, ill informed rantings.


This campaign is run by CBS Outdoor, registered via their ISP, Titan Internet.

I suggest we all write to them and ask them who is paying and why. However, given the note below the comments box which says ("I am happy for Time To Consider to use my comment on this site and on London Underground as part of this campaign.") I suspect it is London Underground just playing with your heads in a rather lame copy of an excellent airport advertising campaign by HSBC last year.

matt, Monday, 4 May 2009

There is no way to justify cruelty to animals. I don’t care what it costs, raising animals in poor, unsanitary conditions so people can save a bit of money is shameful!

AC, Monday, 4 May 2009

Battery farming is the only practical way to produce meat in the quantities required at a price everyone can afford.

The sad thing is that there is a hierarchy of man over animal. Needless cruelty is wrong and so all should be done to be as responsible as possible but there is a question of whether being humane only counts towards "humans", is there not?

Shaiya, Friday, 1 May 2009

Those of us who live in the West have a great deal of non-meat and dairy options. The cro-magnon male is preoccupied with his metaphorical meat. It is time for us rise, evolve and stop cruelty towards all animals

Maggie, Friday, 1 May 2009

They look like free range birds to me. The chickens we intensively farm for meat tend to be the white American breed that grows about 10 times as fast as normal chickens and has less flavour because of it - they are the ones we cram into intensive barns - although the enriched barns are a lot better. A red breed are the ones used to produce our eggs and therefore they would be in cages if they were battery hens - these birds are loose, their combs are nice and red and erect (batteryones are usually floppy and pale from anemia and stress) and I might be wrong but they don't look de-beaked.
Phill how can you say intensive farming is cruel but yet chasing a small animal and tearing it apart isn't? Yes the fox has had a more natural life, but it's end is equally as horrific as the life of the battery bird.

PHILL, Thursday, 30 April 2009

Intensive/battery hen farming is cruel. Hunting is not cruel. Intentional cruelty towards pets is not acceptable.

Louise Grierson, Wednesday, 29 April 2009

factory farming of all animals STINKS - I know the end result is cheaper meat but the cruel and unnatural cost of production is completely wrong - we would all be healthier on a reduced meat diet as would our environment !

Ed, Tuesday, 28 April 2009

If the chickens don't know any different then this is a good life for them, all the food and drink they want!

Dave W, Tuesday, 28 April 2009

This pic shows images of healthy chickens huddled up close together. I conclude they are healthy because of their upright, not stooping posture, and their colouring is bright and feathers tidy and preened. Why are they huddled together? Possibly the red object, top right, is something to do with their feeding? Is it possible that they have identified a human presence in their locality as an indication that they are about to be fed, hence their grouping together expectantly? Had they been in danger, from a fox for example, I would have expected to see evidence of panic, for example some birds flapping about or trying to flap their wings.
It is safe to conclude that these chickens are in some sort of pen, maybe they are kept solely for eggs, not meat consumption. Is that cruel? I know an animal lover who eats no meat, however keeps chickens as pets solely for their eggs.

Bobbie, Monday, 27 April 2009

Think on this, no farmer will make a profit out of their herds or flocks, without good animal husbandry. The vast majority of farners live and breathe their farm and their animals.
The biggest problem agriculture seems to have, is Government interference and especially that of the EU.
Start supporting our farmers, we're losing far too many of them from the land and they are irreplaceable.

Bobbie, Monday, 27 April 2009

I think this outfit is leading you people by the nose with loaded questions.

How many of you have ever kept chickens? I have, I had a pretty large free range flock for quite a while.
That photograph looks just like a free range flock doing its usual gathering around the feeder when it's feed time (you do have to FEED free range birds, which most people that feel qualified to comment on animal welfare seem incapable of comprehending - and that includes too many people that keep free range birds and under feed them).
I tell you this, after years of experience keeping hens and other livestock (I used to be an animal rights nutter in my younger days), the best 'welfare' you can give chickens, is in battery units.
Yes that might be 'controversial' (and I could really give a **** what propagandists try and drum into you lot any more - I saw the light and grew up), but too many have no idea how animals treat other animals - life is not a Disney film with cartoon cuddly creatures in it.
The greatest animal cruelty I have ever seen, is well fed, well cared for (I know they were, they were mine, and you could tell how good they had things by their eggs), free range chickens interacting with each other..
PS just like KL, I often bought ex-battery hens to turn free range. The ones I bought in, were in extremely good condition and very fit.

Susan, Sunday, 26 April 2009

Totally unjustifiable, I accidently pressed the wrong button! Confining intelligent sentient beings in cages, sheds, fields or anything for profit is absolutely disgusting. Give up meat and be healthy.. Rid your body of all the growth hormones, antibiotics etc that are regularly used by the farming industry that adversley affect your health. Give the NHS a rest, GO VEGAN!!

Emily, Saturday, 25 April 2009

They look pretty happy to me. And actually, I think they may be a part of the chickens for democracy movement, they have just finished in the house of commons: most of them are simply 'working the room'

KL, Friday, 24 April 2009

The chickens look in good health so they well be free range just shut in overnight for safety. Generally speaking I don't agree with keeping large numbers of poultry in small areas. I've had 'rescued' hens from battery farms and they can be in a bad way, but others, apart from the clipped beak, look well enough and can still lay eggs for some considerable time!

chaz, Friday, 24 April 2009

I dont really care how the animal is cared for while it's alive. All I care about is, best price (cheapest), and taste. If it taste's good and is cheap then I'm happy. If people worried about the welfare of humans living in this country as they do the welfare of animals, I'm sure the UK would be a much better place.

chaz, Friday, 24 April 2009

I dont really care how the animal is cared for while it's alive. All I care about is, best price (cheapest), and taste. If it taste's good and is cheap then I'm happy. If people worried about the welfare of humans living in this country as they do the welfare of animals, I'm sure the UK would be a much better place.

sean, Friday, 24 April 2009

what a stupid picture -a few chickens -so what !

JA, Thursday, 23 April 2009

Maybe the agenda is just to get people thinking more about the world we live in and the impact of the things we do, in a slightly more conscious way.

Or maybe you're right, maybe there is a big plot going on.

I just hope it's not some brand trying to do clever ads. Probably is though.

Ol, Thursday, 23 April 2009

This question is not relevant to anything as it does not indicate what is being really asked. Is it about eating chicken, batteries, or what.? Whoever came up with this website has an agenda-we should have some transparency here!

beth c, Thursday, 23 April 2009

Robert W. well said, and yes Sara what the hell are you talking about ??

this is all about making money and not animal wellfare , selfish and cruel if you ask me and this picture does not show the real horrible conditions chicken are kept in so you can have your breakfast

VH, Thursday, 23 April 2009

Chickens in everything-controlled houses remains unavoidable for the production of affordable meat for everyone. But I think the standard of care, stocking rates, consideration for an element of natural behaviour etc is atrocious. The system ought to be much more carefully controlled.

Dunk, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

A rather ill thought out question !!!! Any idea what is being asked? I have been into many chicken houses of all types of chicken farming and some are not what could be deemed ethically correct from my upbringing as they were of poor health being intensively farmed!!! Free range or even organic chickens are NOT more susceptible to disease if the breeds are chosen carefully and the food sources and environments are kept up to high standards.

CJ, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Got 3 laying hens on a 400 square meter piece of land at the back of our house. They are happy chickens but they do seem to enjoy spending most of their time huddled together and scratching around in one little corner. If I cut their space down to 3 square metres I think they would be just as happy. Batteries should and will be phased out but intesive housing should be OK within reasonable parameters. The question asked is too ambiguous to answer.

DJ, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Free range birds are more susceptible to disease.

Nib, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Sara, you are an idiot

J, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Sorry, pressed the wrong button...of course it's unjustifiable!

Broilers, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

the legislation surrounding battery broilers is in place to prevent cruelty. Farming is an industry producing food for you - the consumer.

Wilba, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

well said Robert

Robert W, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

Battery farming of Chickens can NEVER be justified.

FACTS:

1. 21,000,000 chickens in this country are kept in sheds containing 20,000 birds or more (some have over 100,000!)

2. The minimum legal requirement of space for one bird is just under three quarters the size of an A4 sheet of paper.

3. Most farms have 4/5 birds per cage. Each cage measures approx. 20 inches x 20 inches and can be stacked up to six high.

4. Over 2,000,000 chickens die in their cages each year from disease caused by improper control of faeces clearing.

5. Chicken beaks are cut to stop them causing too much damage to each other.

I could go on, but with just those facts how can anyone justify battery farming?

Rob, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

theres no cruelty in the picture so how can i answer? its been said that batch chickens are actually happier than free range - i'm afraid i cant quote the source.

i agree with the picture but not the question lol someone really needs to rethink these campains

Ren, Wednesday, 22 April 2009

From what I can see, they look healthy to me, i'm looking forward to my K..F..C!!

Mitch, Tuesday, 21 April 2009

BOB the scenario is "a lot of chicken piled up in a small place (which is a breeding ground judging by the red feeder), waiting for something to happen"

BOB, Friday, 17 April 2009

Cannot tell from this picture where what the senario is.

Sara, Wednesday, 15 April 2009

Justifiable - They only exist because we breed them - better a life than no life at all.

Joel, Wednesday, 15 April 2009

I cant imagine that chicken sores are tasty

nick, Tuesday, 14 April 2009

there is nothing justifiable about cheap premium meat at the expensive of the animal's welfare. Want cheap chicken? eat the legs and wings.

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